by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:03 am, Post That doesn't make it right, it just makes it how they were found from poor Also, there are periods between the U, S, & A. Of course, that was very interesting to Camillusthe company had designed the M3 in 1942and military contracts, with additional sales in the commercial market to users and collectors, would be very welcome. As a result, the new knifes handle was saturated with deterrent. Its blade is double-edged and has a length of 170mm (6 11/16 inches). Acme United Corporation bought the companys brand name and intellectual property rights, relaunching the Camillus brand in 2009. It's an American made Camillus single blade jack with stagalon scales. You will find here an article about the USM3 Fighting Knife. with steel domed rivets. Several contractors were essentially exempt from the treatment requirements because they were already applying some standard applications of bluing or Parkerizing, PAL Blade Co. for example. Its 120m long handle is made of a stack of leather washers. Only the same "Camillus N.Y." markings, either on the normally found pile or reverse side of the blade, or stamped on the Name side or front of the knife. and special units so many time we almost gave up the argument on the subject. Kinfolks (Kinfolks inc.) --> 135,548 pieces, Blade finishes included polished, blued and Parkerized. Great knife for camping or scouting I carried mine on walks in the woods. A few members here have posted examples of that knife with the typical Camillus Mark 1 hilt and the fullered blade normally associated with the 5 inch pilots knife, but yes they don't show up too often. companies to design the Para knife. These are the remaining items that were left in the Camillus factory show This is the #3 knife Camillus submitted for the test. After camillus used up their remaining supply of dated pommels Camillus started using the tang stamping again on the blades. Camillus Collectable Vintage Folding Knives - eBay It is WW II era and dual tang marked and etched. Knives made by top companies were featured in catalogs that were either internally maintained or sent out to dealers and collectors. S-6708 RW marked Guardless fish knife stamped Krome Plate, They were also overridden by poor management decisions, culminating in a six-month workers strike in 2007. SEE PICS Made in USA knife (looks like a Camillus#21), 2 7/8" long Peanut pattern. One is the "Shark.". Show me your knife, and I'll tell you who you are. Dated 1/25/1943 on the order. quick. The line is shorter on this one than others that extend the full length of the word "Camillus". Cold marking on the blade was abandoned because it was considered that it weakened the blade. Some extremely valid points! Among the "bright" finished knives you will find a variance. The contracts were 1942, & 1943. auction. Camillus was on contract to make Buck knives from 1968 after Schrade stopped making them. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Of course, they were sharp and most of them are older than us, but that doesnt mean we lost interest. Thanks! It was officially known as the G46. by Wayne Goddard Knife collectors and dealers should still have those catalogs if you can find them. These knives should be professionally serviced by a Heres another variant knife that Frank Trzaska mentions in his 6/01/2002 knife knotes. Here is a very nice hardlyused if at all, vintage 1979 Camillus U.S.A. made military issue Multi-Tool 4 blade survival knife with the following tools, knife blade with the original Vintage Camillus, New York (Heavy Duty, not cheap novilty quality, but real good quality) 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife (CM8005) TANG STAMPS: CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA 89 . We have been told these knives were carried by various elite The M3 knife consists of 3 pressed steel parts: The blade, the hilt and the pommel washer. I believe this stamp to have been used on knives manufactured from 1916 to the early 1930s. The handle diameter was larger (1.2 inches wide) and had a pinned-on stepped pommel 1.35 inches wide. Military Fighting Knives/Collection (see photos). A blade left over from the 1966 production was used to make that 1-1967 5733 knife. The guard is double quillons, one of which is bent forward to allow thumb rest, its length is 57.7mm, its width is 13.3mm for a thickness of 3mm. Camillus Sizzle Folding Knife. Shows the Imperial bent guard with correct sheath as a Mark 1. It is said to have been used on knives manufactured from the early 1930s to the mid 1940s. Since the knife was not making it to only American troops but the allies, the demand was genuinely high. Note the non-italic font & the length of line between "CAMILLUS" & "NEW YORK". Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". The way that Camillus 5733 knives are marked can give us a general idea of when the knife was made. Get the best deals on Camillus Us Knife In Original Vietnam War Edged Weapons when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. The first three lines are virtually identical, but the fourth has an added bonus in that it sports the the year of manufacture alongside the U.S.A. This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1946 to 1950. The company was founded by Charles Sherwood in 1876 and became a good candidate for buying when the Dingley Tariff Act, which greatly raised the import duty on knives, was enacted in 1897. I've seen and/or handled eight bright finished examples besides the one I own and your pictures are the first examples of the parkerized ones. It is fixed to the blade by crushing the tang on most models. But I don't know if my pommel is screwed or welded. Camillus Tang Stamps - All About Pocket Knives View on eBay. Bone stag and CR guard made in Now, we know already that this, Read More How to Tell If A 1918 Trench Knife Is Real (5+ Unique Methods)Continue, Like it was with dating kissing crane knives, establishing the era that a Ka-bar knife came from can be a bit challenging. Required fields are marked *. | Privacy. It is marked just U.S.N. They adopted the single pin Model number 5686. The guard was a little wider than the one on the World War II knife. It doesn't get any better then this S-449 A and S-449B Prototype Hunting Knives with different Add to Cart. Here is a very nice slightly used Camillus U.S.A. made No.11 "American Wildlife" Wolf howling over moon, beautiful folding lock back pocket knife with jogged Delrin scales, brass bolsters and KNIFAX: Manufacturer: Queen Brand: Queen Model: English Jack KNIFAX: Manufacturer: Camillus Brand: Camillus Model: Camillus U.S.A. military, metal frame style knife.Dated 1976. I hope this is the right place to make this post.sorry if not. There is a variation of a Parkerized blade Camillus MARK 1 with no branch of service markings, (Cole III, pg. Its width is 21.8mm (21.8mm) and thickness is 4.5mm (4.5mm). Your email address will not be published. Is This Mk2 USMC Camillus Fighting Knife WW2 Period? Add to Cart. Skip, I'm not sure that we can or can not label either of those knives as genuine Mark 1's. You will also find examples of the otherwise same knife only with the blade finished bright. Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. He believes these were ordered in 04/05/44. The STA-SHARP brand was made by Camillus for Sears Roebuck c. 1924-1941. But so many times the answer can be quite complicated. Many were marked for year of manufacture on the pommel nut, but some were not. Suggestions, Questions, Comments, Concerns, Alerts, Etc Member Store Tips, Tricks & Instructions, Please help identify year of Camillus military knife, Re: Please help identify year of Camillus military knife, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ val-knife/. After the war, Camillus soon shifted back to civilian cutlery, but they were now facing stiff competition from overseas companies. This sample made 1939. Wouldn't mind running across one of these to compare to my two examples. This lightly used scout/utility knife has some beautiful rich blonde Rogers Bone handles. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/295814-5-inch-hunting-and-sheath-knives/?hl=%2Bpilots+%2Bknife&do=findComment&comment=2377348, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/111421-odd-camillus-usn-mark-1/?hl=%2Bpilots+%2Bknife&do=findComment&comment=830644, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/200448-questions-on-a-bright-blade-camillus-mark-1/. by glennbad Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:55 am, Post A Kent marked with Indian Trail and large brass rivets, J-9 marked is another Kent prototype with domed steel Can't tell if it is 12314 or 1214. The picture I posted is of a knife I had bid on in an auction, but did not win. bone and 1466 dozen made in stagged Rosewood. This link will bring you to a reference list of shields used on Camillus knives. A nice little Camillus Bird & Trout knife.Pattern #1006.Blade 3 3/4" and 7 1/4" overall.Blade has a good amount of scratches on both sides.Leather washer handle with brass and black fiber. Pommels were the traditional birds-beak design or flat of steel, plastic or wood. | Privacy. Carried in Vietnam we doubt it. $129.99. I had the Colonial and Geneva knives flipped the wrong way, You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Then in issue to troops, the M3 having been first produced and issued in 1943. Marbles prototype: Super rare item. It's an anomaly knife. Tang stamp reads CAMILLUS N.Y. J5 Forest King etched with prototype J-5 on the blade. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright document.write(new Date().getFullYear()); Caribou Media Group | All rights reserved. The total quantity of M3 manufactured in this short period of time was about 2,590,240 pieces. This does not impact the price of the item youre buying and it supports me to keep creating the content that you love. How to Spot Fake or Reproduction Camillus M3 Trench Knife? This is an early Marbles design with a Fortunately for us, Camillus changed their stamps enough to map each one to different periods. survival kit knife with straight line marking. The Camillus Cutlery company closed shop in 2007, only to be resurrected in 2009 by Acme United Corporation, which acquired the naming rights. It all ended for the original Camillus on February 2007. The handle was stacked leather with a series of cut grooves. VINTAGE WW2 MILITARY CAMILLUS TL-29 LINEMANS KNIFE USA 1930-40. by KLJ77 Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:21 pm, Post Way cool! larger pommel version we all know. S-5382 Half guard prototype with scaler back and 3 small When the USA entered the war in 1941, the combatants quickly felt the need to have a combat knife at their disposal. The Company produced millions of knives until it filed for bankruptcy in 2007. by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:33 am, Post the Army needed one as well to replace the M2 pocket knife. Made in September 1941. At the end of the war, the decision to ramp up capacity paid off as Camillus could now make its knives and still churn others out under contract. 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The tang stamp shown here is much like the widely known 4 line stamp shown lower on this page. compares with this knife. ULSTER TL-29 Pocket Knife Rosewood Handles Tool Lineman's . Late 1944 production through till contracts were completed or cancelled in 1945, you find those knives more alike or much more similar characteristics. Free Shipping $99. The M1918 mk1 is kept and distributed while stocks last. If you have any of those knives, it wouldnt be out of place to salute it for its commendable service. Camillus Knives for Sale at AAPK - All About Pocket Knives current model. In New York City. When Camillus started remaking their WW2 style USMC marked knives for the civilian market- they changed the bade grind near the tip, and marked USMC on the blade along with a more modern civilian Camillus cutlery marking. They are hard to find. generate quite a few questions so we hope this is a help to a few folks. Sweeping grind. I would classify them as USAAF knives. and sold through the PX system as well. The most common markings are the first 3. Unknown Hunting Knife: Kent was a trade name used by F W The M3 knife consists of 3 pressed steel parts: The blade, the hilt and the pommel washer. Mark 1s by Colonial had injected plastic handles. Never used or Vintage Camillus U.S.A. Below you will find information about US made Camillus pocketknives: You will generally find a great assortment of Camillus knives up for sale here at AAPK. Thanks for your help. They usually possess a non-reflective finish to maintain camouflage and extremely grippy handles to help maintain control with hard and quick uses. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' three line straight stamp. This guide to dating Camillus knives is focused on the Camillus-stamped knives only. The top edge was sharpened about a third of the blade length. Nickel silver guards made in 1948. This page is a recognition and identification guide for military fighting knives. The rarest USMC knife in It is kind of interesting that the concepts the BuOrd used to formulate the design they wanted for the Mark 1 came from two knives, Pal actually made the Mark 1 closest to the drawing. Keen Kutter etched in blade and tang marked Sharpleigh / A knife for sale on Frank Trzaska's site shows a sheath with the same care instructions stamped into it, with the knife keeper in a different location. room when the company was auctioned off. originals and always set off an alarm when looking for an original SKIP. We offer a wide range of products, including pocket knives, folding knives, kitchen knives, hunting knives, wood carving knives, and multi-tools. They did not adopt this knife, as we know the M3 was Pilots Knife Made by Camillus. This knife fits in with Item # 78828. A place to discuss & share pictures of anything that relates to knives. The guard is double quillons, one of which is bent forward to allow thumb rest . factory collection. This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1946 to 1950. View on eBay. Add to Favorites Vintage Kamp-King Pocket Utility Knife Imperial Prov RI USA Scout Camping . forces. It's a great place to learn or just hang out and share pictures information. The smaller Sharks were issued to Navy and Army Air Corps pilots as a bailout knife. 5683 L75: The Camillus Mark 1 prototype reference piece. like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real SEE PICS Firstly, Adolf Kastor (Camillus, XLNT, Germania) just to name a few, oh and A.W. it's nice to finely see actual examples of the parkerized knives with no branch of service. It was held in place with a steel washer pinned to the tang. While some are very rare, such as the L-76, L-77, "Bushman" and USMC parachutist knives, several examples are more ubiquitous. This is a Camillus made Western Brand Texas Ranger Commemorative stockman. Posted June 7, 2020. Kent Stagged Rosewood with steel rivets, same as above. The company then had 20 employees. Go to their site and select the brand name Ontario, (they are the current supplier for these knives), on that page select sheaths, the one your looking for is on the second page, its marked to fit the model 499 knife, (Ontario's part number). $65.00. repro has a very short and sharply curved false edge. The Camillus factory drawing for the fullered blade knife identifies it as "Our # 5679 L 36 Hunting Knife with Mosser sheath." This is a nice lightly used High Carbon Steel scout/utility knife. I've heard arguments on both sides, but as of yet I'd be uncomfortable moving the positions beyond the level of opinion. Frank explained that Camillus made 4 versions of this blade, 3 of which were adopted by the military. Military Fighting Knives Price Guide - MilitaryItems.com So far I have not found the S card for This link will bring you to AAPK's Camillus specific image gallery. Sears Roebucks in 9/26/1941. The lower leg/quillon was marked on the front with a capital M in a circle over the number 4. The new design M3 weighed 9 ounces finished. Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, its a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. This resulted in a long line of impressive, sturdy knives that have become vintage and collectors items today. 1937. Here's the one my dad carried when he was in EOD. This is the early AAC The manufacturers of the M6 scabbard: Boarwood, Milsco, Moose, Sbl co, Viner Bros. The other side on the tang it looks like a faint serial number. During World War II, the company made over 15 million knives for the U.S. Armed Forces. the Camillus designs submitted for testing. Another Western World War II fixed blade was the 46-8, a huge, impressive combat knife with an 8-inch blade. My goal is to provide helpful information about old pocket knives relating to their identification and history. Knives Australia - Online Knife Store for Knives, Machetes and Axes Tactical Knives - Buy Tactical and Military Knives Online at Extac Milsco (Milwaukee Saddlery) at 140,494 copies, L&C (Lyon & Coulson) at 40,000 copies, Sbl co (Service Boots & Leggins) at 35,200 copies, Barwood (L.J. Blades have light scratches but have not been heavily used or sharpened. You can view others with full length line below. Sent to the Jeffersonville Quartermaster, it is essentially a 6 Thick blade and two piece rivets were replaced with a thinner Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: If youre in the market for a vintage Camillus knife, make sure you know how to tell the real deal apart from the repros. Guards were double steel, the very rare brass or plastic like the pommels. This link will bring you to a reference list of tang stamps used on Camillus knives. apart. In the field, it was actually distributed to fighting troops without bayonets. Vietnam War Era US Camillus Fighting Knife - . Production date date 3/25/1943. This prototype is date 5/13/1954. USMC next to the current repro which graphically shows the difference. Thank you everyone who helped me on this post. by Wayne Goddard You also have to consider that contracts were negotiated for 5-inch hunting knives prior to the release and approval of the drawings for the Mark 1. In 1902, Adolph Kastor, a powerhouse of a leader, bought Camillus and the company grew quickly. Knives were mounted in this way until stocks of stamped blades were exhausted in an effort to save money. I viewed the ransacked show room There is a mix of lower and uppercase letters; Short and curved false edge (as opposed to the long sweeping false edge of the WWII knife), Scabbards are marked with Eagle, Globe and Anchor. The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States as its roots date back to 1876. Camillus was so successful a knife brand that other knifemakers contracted them to manufacture their blades. Yes the Vietnam War lasted until 1975 but the majority of US combat The next change was in August 1961, reducing the length of the blade to 5 inches. Hope this information and photos helps . Please help identify year of Camillus military knife
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