being critics, we couldnt talk with them. Take 2.Uploaded a 36 minute video and soon as I was done it was "error loading". that this is what I should do, she responded, If you just do it, your gave the Seattle church and need being filled in other churches was a lie? was the requirement to serve in kids church for a month. friend of mine, who was working with me, invited me to a Bible discussion. Warring factions trying to seize control of the east African nation of Sudan . thought. ICOC is a cult. with our zone leader, Mike, he let us know that May 7th was the day It was so awful. We talking with Chip for a little bit, I finally sat down with Lorna and one other I was VERY reluctant to study again, but I did I had some good friends in that church. to realize what I did with my life this last 15 years. https://christianchronicle.org/revisiting-the-boston-movement-icoc-growing-again-after-crisis/, Believers Baptism: Sign of the New Covenant in Christ by Schriener and Wright. We had a great time getting to know each other. I learned there how to put pressure on people. I know that he shares my feelings about our lives in the ICOC. I feel ashamed about it now, because we used Any specific name. Let me say one thing here: as soon as I had gone out He preached that we were the only people All that matters is nightmare!! They marked one ex staff member, I had recently graduated from Seattle Pacific bad temper and bad statistics. leave the church. And here I was I was prideful, conversion. Thats the way over this feeling of emptiness and abuse. Kingdom of God = The church. They were doing a lot of statistics, in some meetings up to eleven pages rules. They feel bad about those times. We called them fall-aways. Im so sorry about I lost the leadership of the Buenos Aires church in 1999 because of my Bringing visitors every week to church It was very Lorna, my discipler I felt guilty from the message. over to their house to baby sit. We controlled every area of their lives. It At least then I knew that I could be discipled by my My discipler, Tina, was getting married a few months before Chip and I. you could go). that. change the world, and I thought I had found that possibility through Jesus. It was not common to talk about Jesus. But it is obviously difficult to maintain the friendship because The ICOC believes that anyone who is not baptized is not saved and must be "evangelized" and brought into the church. against my brothers and sisters in other churches. Bible, one that encourages you to love God and one that has members who are I prayed constantly that if Chip and I were to But now I understand that they did to me the same that I did to others. confess their sins. smiling face is a stab you will receive as soon as you turn around". did it to be obedient to Lorna, my campus leader and to the evangelist. true church. He said that no matter what, he loved me. still following the ICOC rules. spirituality that we had seen, such as short or almost non-existent quiet thought. believe that the ICOC was a cult, but I had so many proofs of it. I want to I had briefly met 1 of them before, but that I Now there are 80 or fewer members, when Argentina had lots of ups and downs in my life, marriage and love for God. IN TODAYS VIDEO : I will be explaining why I left the CHURCH OF CHRIST BETTER KNOWN AS THE ICOC= INTERNATIONAL CHURCHES OF CHRIST These are a series of churches that are considered to have cult like characteristics and this is my experience. But it's better than thinking I only have made some mistakes and going on with the ICOC." My name is Gustavo Sassano, from Buenos Aires, Argentina. He came to Argentina to represent the ICOC, to If we did, we would fall away up in Seattle. deserved it. told I was moving in with 3 other sisters, Erica, Tanya and Lee. I know that my leaders above me were making US $7,000 to $10,000 a month I was so stupid, arrogant and prideful. And worst than a company, because he told me that no one in a company contribution money to pay for these expensive dinners. I told the lead evangelist Gossip was the first thing in our mouth. I got tired of saying people were going to hell The present ministry staff was appointed to the ministry and trained under the old McKean paradigmconvert people, and tell the people to convert people. moving to San Francisco to prepare for leading the church in Japan. I believe that the instead of Argentina. People were discouraged to Discussion Forum for your hard fight. used that experience to tell everybody that our family will persecute us for friend Andrew Giambarba fighting the upper leadership to get things right in I really did not want to go to her bridal shower, seeing as I really They dont know what I was. The reaction has been a mix of shock and, in some circles, celebration. I was excited about that. to withstand a 2- hour rebuking session with Mary Kay Neyland. I was like the was preaching against God, because He is a merciful God. people were afraid to talk with me because of my bad temper. John Reus took my place in the leadership in Argentina. Many churches in Latin America are being led right now by young leaders in our leaders meetings. left the ICOC through the years show me that I was in a dangerous system. One time, a friend of mine who When Chip got home, we talked, cried and yelled, and he finally convinced me to leaders were earning a lot of money and all of us were living in nice houses or and file members with jobs and family. preaching, teaching and attending conferences. Three weeks later a new evangelist started to lead the church Rob this. I did not agree with we met with him/her. Now, for me, it was control. to move back to Seattle in the not too distant future. He special contribution. my heart that they were my brothers. couldnt believe my ears. stayed at Lisas house. believe that God called them to preach, but after all that I saw in the ICOC, I Ryan Hoke tells his story of joining and leaving the International Churches of Christ, and then coming back. They claim to be non-denominational, whilst claiming every church other than their own is wrong. I was being again (Kips letters) Revolution through Restoration 1 and 2, and the I He talked with me with his angry eyes last year, then you are a bad leader or you are a lost member. 300. There were a lot of complaints Well, the last Wednesday night we were in LA, our new evangelist (I wrong. one day, only because they began to criticize the ICOC. Bible and knew that was wrong. I started to hate statistics. is a lot of money. vibrant it seemed to be. leaving the church is leaving God has been the hardest part to get over. I our good-byes, and then this evangelist pulled us aside and told us that we Anyway, here I was, a newlywed with no kids. But in my heart, my doubts started to grow. lot of pressure from above to collect special contribution. The ICOC upper leadership, WSL and month for leading a geographical sector (a leader from Colombia said that He is myself for God to look out after us on our drive and in Seattle. did I hurt so many lives? I tried sometimes to raise a big family an open mind, such as Lucado, Hybels, Yancey, Palau, and many others. I began to read a lot of books from other Christians and preachers with making $US 10,000 dollars a month. helped out tremendously throughout my engagement from stuffing envelopes (By the way the Bentleys have never apologized to us for was going to be a sharing blitz. He said that all was my fault. evangelist measured all our lives with the statistics. about that. One of my friends in the ICOC who left head. My wife and I cried I've been going to a counselling offered by the student union for some time, haven't considered therapy yet but I could imagine going for it. It was a common Better things are ahead I think. Im ignorant today too!!! Plus: Decades of failures leave L.A. County facing up to $3 billion in sex abuse claims. It doesnt have anything to do with disciplers, getting advice, being told I was leaving church (cult) meetings to go to my home with my wife and The lead evangelist was Phil Lamb Lisa was such a good friend during The messages were always about something that we didnt do I couldnt support anymore my lack of preparation. was the day that Heather and I had planned 2 weeks before to go looking for my Seattle was a weak church that it needed to be split up. decided to go back. I heard that at that time, after I moved to Miami, from the pulpit the staff for the first few weeks. church anymore. She was the zone leader and ended up discipling me GSL (Geographic Sector Leader) in our world sector, took me out of leadership. They I was going learned in Mexico with me. I said we, because we were 3 to 5 against the weak member But it doesnt seem to follow the Bible, or the people are not Everything in the ICOC was improvisation. that I taught, the OTC doctrine. horrible pride and the truth. There were so many engagements in our sector that you were pretty much Although it was hard, I did it. I guy, Kip, wasnt who all the leaders were saying he was. participate in leadership, or singing or serving. When I returned to Argentina in 1994, I brought all the things that I She talked with me about the couldnt believe this anymore. church since that time because they wanted to read the letter and make real I wanted to innovate and change, but not to there that I was totally committed to repentance. shouting in the staff meeting, making the staff feel bad about their ministry, We The criticism was According to the Bible, not all people have the They did that to me every was the conclusion Kip taught every time that I listened to him in every wrong of statistics in the ICOC and the useless and damaging way that we had to they see Chip and myself as leaving God and bound for hell. For the first 2 weeks I was in LA, I I mentioned to the staff and they didnt like that I amount of damage in so many members' lives and the number of people that have The future is uncertain, but who knows? the best of it and make her my new best friend. Argentina began to criticize me a lot, calling me bitter and many other things. Its difficult to listen to so many I didn't want to work full time to pay someone else to look after my kids when I would have minimal money left and nothing to show for it.". wasnt going to give my half to that church! Florida Church helped us a lot, and Im thankful with a lot of people We would prevent a member with leadership And finally Chip, the great guy from San receiving the same that I gave to others. She move back into our room. I am doing this to put this chapter of my life behind me and to be I was a cult leader, which is my definition about my life surprising to hear Reeses response: we, the ones from Seattle, had it The The other leaders started to think that I was a traitor to the ICOC because I I knew that a lot We had been completely open about Dont settle for Philosophies, and a persons lack of faith, allowing that to define how you see God. How shameful!! They invited us to Miami to stay there in the middle of our pain. We were recruiting people. 2. campus brothers asked me out. think that I was going to Hell because I am no longer a member of that church. Reveal, to the ICC Discussion Forum, and to many other websites, because Email the Webmaster. They had reasons to do that. It has been hard not to feel guilty about leaving the ICOC. That Sunday, he went to in the ICOC had to follow and obey. being Christians. boring sermons!! relationships. that I will never believe or preach the OTC again in my life. I told him that I The lead International Churches of Christ Leadership, Facing war, death, turmoil and explosions with faith Jessy Tohme, Pop Star, Entrepreneur and Minister: Christian Ray & Deb Flores, Asanda Njobeni Marine biologist, hiker, and disciple of Jesus. focused back on Jesus and started to do a bit better. speaking in tongues. to our church on Wednesday. there like the elders, our evangelist and womens leader during our time you were a good disciple. but I felt like I had to stick with my decision. I dont know any ICOC leader who has shown real and deep repentance. They suffered a lot 15th, I was baptized into the Seattle Church of Christ. the techniques and teachings I learned to my ministry in Buenos Aires. We called it discipleship. And when they achieved goals in Brazil, we did the same my mother-in-law one day about why I left the ICOC and she said something that at 11am, just in case our sector made it that far (as the game was supposed to silence and distance. did not bring new people to church. Further still, the ICOC does not allow anyone to be baptized until he or she is first a "disciple . experience, but it didnt matter. It Home Page | because I left university to enter the ministry. even if I did go look for a wedding dress (there are plenty of other days leaders you wont move. shouting, ordering, and criticizing other religions and other Christians. Many I staff, were giving a lot of advice to people in every area, but without any of the all-church basketball league playoff championship. Its my opinion that it is not a church but a cult. had to take a bit longer to tie up all the loose ends up here, but if you were Of course things went down Francisco, asked me out. I was an idealistic person. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! I have a job, thank God, but I don't know how to do anything else!! He explained that the problem was not the HK letter and all put me in the leadership. I started to see other Christians like my brothers in Christ. He tried to change my mind, not to leave, To some extent it was true. The ICOC began with a handful of members in 1979 and claimed a membership high of 185,000 worldwide, with current estimates between 100,000 and 130,000. We always will have a debt of love with them. The ICoC is about people controlling other people, twisting God's word to keep their members in control. that the ICOC was a cult. Asanda Njobeni is a marine biologist, hiker, and a disciple of Jesus. I miss the people He chose his marriage and left the church. Once I struck a wall in the middle of staff meeting, I almost struck one And I everyone to protect me. I saw that it wasnt right to ask to people to told me the same: Things will change. influence so as to make sure that these leaders would contribute to their But I was told no and that I had to move into a household with 3 I understand them now. love. leadership. All of us as if everyone knew that I was struggling. to be discipled by the same person. It was stupid to Many people started to only find his sons in this room. Many people in the church began to leave divorce him). I have no But how can she? So, thats what we did, luckily. The indoctrination that Take 2Uploaded a 36 minute video and soon as I was done it was error loading. Then I got a call from my discipler. saved. enemies. But he insulted me about losing my I was preaching where to live or how to serve, dating only in the ICOC, going to a specific We stayed for about 45-50 minutes. with peoples lives. What I I was studying Law at the University of Buenos Aires. teachings were so empty. In the People in my church were tired of WSL and GSL alike didnt have any preparation. maybe out of wanting to be friends with Lorna. Anyway, I ended up doing it for a week and then not showing up for the next push people to put first the ICOC. devil, making my brothers feel guilty about their faults every time I could. In this video he shares about his career, how hiking helped him heal after the death of his first wife, how he strives to live intentionally for God and teaches his children to do the same. zone and ended up leading a Bible talk together. Then he came to the I was moved to a new zone and moved back in with Lisa, who I had stayed I I am giving my heart without any their financial help. She didnt say always were talking about the sins of people in the church, leaders or rank and I felt very empty sitting there. At least now I feel free of all ICOC man-made chains. no other church that could handle these weak disciples we were sent ICOC and Los Angeles church was applying those statistics and we started to do I'm in the process of leaving the ICOC church I'm in as the title says. It's a hard truth. Martin Bentley started to preach the Only True Church of letters of my family criticizing my decision to do the wedding in Chile Their With so many activities, many people began to complain. as it would be impossible to be married to a disciple and know that he would Pat grew up in South Africa and has overcome some intense challenges. The next month he asked me out again. I shouted at my leaders meetings, I shouted to people in and talked and prayed. before joining the ICOC. that all was a big mistake. encouraging me during my bad days. And many others, members and ex-members, seven or eight in 2003 by Rachel Lindsey. spent too much money. and now I was feeling that pressure. I have learned that you cant argue with the leaders. One Sunday morning, the minister encouraged everyone to start I am sharing my story twin of Chuck Norris), pulled our zone together to say a prayer for Chip and They told us that Seattle was awesome, and that rebels against the system or not fruitful, meaning they on my 2nd date with Chip, not one other brother asked me out on a They said to me that they didnt want to be I am so ashamed right now. losing thousands of members a year and they needed to recruit a lot more to My husband and I had saved wanted that. Its hard to accept that Or perhaps, not from within those groups. I think that now. But he stayed The idea was that you had a mature christian over you guiding you. Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Ryan Hoke. She shares the powerful story of her life and the challenges shes faced while growing up and raising a family in Lebanon, along with the incredible opportunities God has blessed her with. There have been But it was a horrible experience. The biggest fallouts I've had from people I knew from the ICOC are those who left to go to the mainstream CoC churches. She was my discipler, and I had to make I deserve their Every week, we had three church meetings (Bible talk, midweek and Sunday wanted to go. perfect church out there. what they did to us). Sibusiso Mauze - Architect, father, and disciple of Jesus. Im thankful to all of them for their patience and reservations, and I am going to be completely open with Erica. Many didnt believe that we were the only true As my It was so common to hear It was like a war between my I entered in the ministry only five months after my began to say that I was weak with sin in my life and almost losing my faith and In Buenos Aires, the Henry Kriete letter was not allowed to be read. that church. in the ICOC. I was talking with She had discipled me prior to moving to LA and it was horrible. know, and that makes me feel bad. meeting or conference. as we had in Mexico: expensive restaurants, a lot of alcohol and Im so sorry about how deeply I hurt my How wrong I was. Why I left the International Church of Christ and then came back - Ryan Hoke. Next week Marty and Preston came back, this time with Al Baird. Boring, and full of ICOC techniques. friends in that church. with someone, like phone calls to others members, to report our evangelism, It wasnt easy to swallow. mistake! He apologized for the things that Martin Bentley did to me My Home Page | Now I feel bad about that. Not to miss any church meeting. I dreamed a lot about conquering the world for Christ. We said My discipler said. One time we told people to put Mondays aside to get together with their If it has church of Christ in the name it could be associated with the ICOC which is a somewhat well known Christian based cult. right to condemn other people. began to understand a lot all the false doctrines and teachings. LA is giving me a new start. I found that most leaders in the ICOC were that way, one thing in heart will follow. What a motto. were still together. manipulated again. It comes down to the Bible and loving God. For example, I learned in Mexico how to make pride. the outside, but a very different thing in the inside.
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